In the ongoing (though hopefully not eternal) saga of the bathroom remodel that resulted from trying to fix a leak, we now submit a new chapter, entitled, “What shall be done with Josiah’s wet carpet, and who shall pay to do it?”
The current status of the remodel is as follows:
TUB: The tub is in. There’s a plastic pipe sticking out where the tub faucet will go. There’s no plastic pipe sticking out where the shower faucet will go, but there is a hole in the sheetrock up in that general location. The back end of the tub has been elevated a couple inches, so as to allow the water to drain from it unassisted. We hope the drain is tight and will not leak whenever water is again run through it. That cannot be tested right now, because the tub is full of tools and supplies. The space beneath the tub will need to be filled in with something, and some kind of (white rubber?) trim will need to be applied along the outside bottom of the tub to hide that space.
SURROUND: It will be cultured marble in three pieces, with two more little skinny pieces running down to the floor on the end walls on the near side of the tub. It has been ordered and should have been ready for pick-up last week, but that didn’t happen. Then it was supposed to be ready for pick-up yesterday, and I don’t know if that happened or not. Astute readers may recall that a leak behind the tile at the faucet end of the tub/shower caused the wall to rot and the tile to fall in; and the resulting hole in the surround motivated what has evolved into The Remodel From You Know Where.
Right now, we don’t know if that original leak has been fixed or not. The plumbing fixtures can’t be put on the tub and shower faucets until after the surround is installed. At that point, we will turn the faucets on, but how will we know if it’s leaking into the wall, if the wall is already covered with a huge slab of cultured marble? And if it DOES happen to be leaking, how would one get TO it to fix it? These are questions I simply cannot answer.
If the surround had been ordered from Harry Cooper Plumbing Supply (which is where we picked it out), they would have had it cut to our exact (though skewed) measurements, and they would have guaranteed that it would fit perfectly. However, Mr. A got offended with Harry Cooper and ordered it from somewhere else. Because our setting is so. . . um. . . unique and. . . uh. . . challenging, he was going to just have the folks at the place he ordered it from do the installation. As he said, “These guys do this every day, so they would know how to get it done right.” My sentiments exactly.
Of course, the Harry Cooper guy had told Mr. A to put up cement board (I think it’s waterproof?) under the cultured marble, but the other place said to use sheetrock, because with the cultured marble, no water could ever get to it anyway. So who knows who knows what? But when Mr. A inquired about those guys installing the cultured marble and they said the installation fee would be $675 or $700, he gagged and decided (without asking us) to do it himself. So. He will bring it here, take his measurements, cut it, and we’ll all hope it fits properly!
FLOORING: The vinyl flooring is in and looks GREAT! Most (but not all) of the baseboards have been painted and will be reinstalled at some point.
TOILET: Our cadillac throne is installed and working superbly. We hope it’s not leaking like the old one did, but we don’t really know how to confirm that.
VANITY and COUNTERTOP: The latter has been affixed (with caulk. . .???) to the former, and the plumbing was hooked up to it on Monday. I was there when Mr. A ran his finger around all the fittings for water to both come in and go out, and there were no leaks. We were thrilled and began using the sink immediately (as per Mr. A’s instructions). The back splashes have yet to be installed and caulked, but they are here.
This bathroom was initially – long before we bought the house – carved out of Josiah’s bedroom, so one wall of his bedroom is the wall behind our vanity and behind the back end of the tub. Josiah’s bed is across the room from that wall, but in order to force himself to arise in the morning, he has his alarm clock plugged into an outlet on that wall, and it sits on the floor by that baseboard.
Wednesday morning, while I was in the office checking 4th grade and 8th grade math (fun, fun, fun), Josiah came in and said, “Mom, I think we have a problem.” Now, there are seasons in which my life seems to move simply from one problem to the next, so I was thinking it could be anything from, “Andrew won’t start his laundry,” to “I just remembered I’m supposed to be in town in 15 minutes,” to “The math for this chemistry does NOT make any sense at all.” So I replied something along the lines of, “Yes, and what else is new?”
He proceeded to inform me that when he went to bed the previous night (I guess he was being diligent and turning on his alarm) he had noticed that his carpet seemed a little damp, but he had “figured, oh, whatever.” Rarely does anything odd about this house surprise us. But this morning, the carpet was, “MUCH wetter, Mom. I think something’s leaking somewhere.”
Well, we already had the improperly installed tub drain of the non-levelled tub (“I didn’t level it, but it looked okay to me.”) leak into the living room. And no, that ceiling hasn’t been repaired, and we don’t yet know if Mr. A will take responsibility for doing so. We already were told that he (Mr. A) couldn’t get any water pressure beyond a trickle in the bathroom, and did we USED to have good water pressure? That seems to be fine now. We already were told we’d have to scrape the water down the tub to get it to drain, because “I guess these new tubs just don’t have as much slope as those old ones did.” Hence our new tub with its hiney in the air. So my response to Josiah’s comment was something akin to, “So, what’s another leak among frineds?” But I told him to tell Scott, who was heading out to work, and Scott called Mr. A, who said he’d be there about 10:00 AM.
He did arrive at 10:00 AM with “Bill.” Bill wasn’t real talkative, and no explanation was given, but I gathered that perhaps Bill was a plumber. I first showed Mr. A the two new (thankfully small) water spots on the center of the living room ceiling. Then I took him up to Josiah’s room where the carpet along that side of the room actually splashed when you stepped on it. Next I took him into the Chamber of Horrors itself and showed him the wet (nothing quite like a little soggy particle board) inside bottom of the vanity. He said – and I concur – that it hadn’t been leaking when he put it in on Monday. I agreed with him, but added that something, somewhere was definitely leaking now!
With Josiah gone to meet with his mentor, and Jessica and Andrew both at piano lessons, I was home alone, so I was about to hike out to the well house and figure out how to turn off the water when Bill told me to wait; that they’d need another valve and they didn’t have that one with them, so they’d have to go get it. They were back in about 45 minutes, as were the kids, so we filled our trusty red three-gallon water jug for drinking purposes, and Josiah shut of the water.
Next, Josiah pulled up the edge of the carpet in his room, folded it back, and aimed a fan at it. Mr. A seemed to think that once the carpet was all dried out, everything would be okay. Two hours later, Mr. A and Bill emerged and asked that the water be turned back on. Which Josiah did.
Then Mr. A proceeded to explain to me in some detail exactly what the problem had been. It was nothing HE had done. THEY had used a valve (he held it in his hand to show me) that was designed to be used with copper pipe on a plastic pipe. That should NEVER have been done, and it was a miracle it had never leaked before. (It hadn’t leaked in the past 12 .5 years.) The only thing he could figure was that THEY had had that valve on the cold and HE had put it on the hot. And then, when the hot water went through, it made the metal of the valve expand and contract, which made it leak. He, not being a plumber, didn’t realize that the valve that was there couldn’t go on plastic tubing, but Bill knew that. Mr. A reiterated that Josiah’s carpet would be fine once it was dry. Hmmmm…..
We went back into Josiah’s room to survey the damage. The carpet and pad were truly soggy. In fact, where they were “folded” back, they were actually dripping onto the floor. It was interesting to see what was under his (nasty, filthy, stained, pink) carpet. It’s the same kind of wood floor that’s in the living room, but those must be the only two rooms with that type – unless Andrew’s is the same. The kitchen, dining room, Jessica’s room, the entryway, the upstairs hall, our bedroom, and our office all have pine floors that are quite different. But here’s the real curiosity: right where the wetest part of Josiah’s carpet had lain, there was A METAL PLATE nailed into his floor!!! It’s maybe 12″ by 9″ or something, and Mr. A said, “See, it’s because of that plate. See, the edges of it aren’t sealed down. The water has seeped around the edges of that plate and gotten the carpet wet. If that plate weren’t there, you (note his choice of pronoun) wouldn’t have this problem.
I thought to myself, but didn’t say, “Well, maybe the carpet wouldn’t have gotten wet, but if there’s a leak, that water has to go somewhere. We’re actually blessed that Josiah marched his big hairy bare feet over to his alarm clock and felt the squish before more damage was done somewhere else!”
So for the past two days, we’ve kept the fan going in Josiah’s room. His bed is moved and he was gone overnight Wednesday, but last night he slept on the living room couch.
Today, Scott created and emailed to Mr. A a list of all the things we can think of that still need to be done.
It goes like this:
- Put wires in a box and sheet rock the hole. (This area was behind the mirror.)
- Hang the bathroom mirror
- Put up the bathroom lights
- Paint and reinstall the air vent in the bathroom
- Affix the window in the front storm door
- Pull up and dry out the carpet in Jo’s room (S&P should not have to pay for this.)
- Reinstall carpet once thoroughly dry (S&P should not have to pay for this. Actually, we may choose to install new carpet or just leave the wood floor. If we do this, I would at least expect you to pull out and dispose of the old carpet.)
- Put up the toilet paper bar
- Put up (3) towel bars (After cultured marble is mounted)
- Cut cultured marble to fit
- Install cultured marble walls
- Install bathtub and shower fixtures
- Test all the shower and tub water flow (Check for leaks – Is there any way to do this before the surround is installed?)
- Install baseboards in master bath
- Fill in gap between floor and master bathtub (There is a 2″ to 3″ gap)
- Adjust shower curtain rod to fit in 58″ space (Standard length is 60.” Once the surround is in, I think that length will be even less than 58″; maybe 56.5″ – 57″? I am thinking the surround is 3/4″, which would take off an additional 1.5″, but I am not sure.)
- Install shower curtain rod (We asked for the kind that bows out in the middle – I would like it to be brushed nickel. It’s available at WM for about $20, as I recall.)
- Put down patches of flooring around boy’s toilet
- Replace, tape, and repaint living room ceiling where leak occurred (S&P should not have to pay for this.)
- Paint over water spots in middle of living room ceiling ( S&P should not have to pay for this.)
- Install new door knob in bathroom door
- Install (hinge-mounted) door stops in 3 doors (Stops have already been purchased)
- Rehang bathroom door
- Haul off all old fixtures, trash, and debris
Comments:
I felt I needed to let you know how I (we) are feeling about the remodel. We have a saying in our home and I feel it is the right perspective for adults as well as children: “If you make a mess, you should clean it up.” When one of our kids breaks another kid’s toy, it is their responsibility to either fix it or buy the child a new toy. I know that there are a lot of additional expenses that have been incurred because we have added things to the original list (e.g. replacing the vanity, going with cultured marble instead of snap on surround). Since these were not part of the original bid, I expect to pay for these things. But when it comes to the problems that have resulted from the water leaks, I (we) feel this is not our responsibility. I understand that the shut off that was on the lavatory was the wrong kind, but it hasn’t leaked for the last 12 years. It only started leaking after the remodelling work was completed. So to me, this problem is clearly a result of the remodelling and repairing it should be the responsibility of the one who did the work.
As I mentioned above, it looks like our choice will be to pull up all the carpet and throw it away. Once this is done, we will determine what to do with the floor in the bedroom. I hope you can understand our perspective. I hesitated to say this to you because I value our friendship, but I thought it was best to say how I feel in an honoring way. Thanks for listening.
Meanwhile, I priced carpet at Lowe’s today. They had quite a few rolls, and not one of them was soggy.